Posted by Q. Why do you have a noise complaint office if you just tell the callers to go to hell?
What do you expect me to do, reroute 15,000 planes in the next two weeks alone?, he said, or something similar (he didn’t use numbers at all). Then he went on about how airplanes are noisy and people who work on runways wear ear protection. Something like that. It was hard to understand with the volume and aggression. And he has been working there since the airport opened. Let’s just say it wasn’t the slightest bit constructive.
What do you call it, an advocacy office? They’re terrible at it. I mean, it really is interesting from a customer satisfaction standpoint.
Maybe I’ll leave this outgoing message on my home phone: “Please don’t leave a message if you intend to yell, swear, or bomb my home.” That is pretty much what their phone and website say–all the things that will not be tolerated in their relations with the public. In other words, they’re preparing for a war right up front.
Mike McKee has his email screened and forwarded and seems to hide behind his cell phone. Maybe that’s why he was screaming: he was talking into a cell phone… on the tarmac.
“We haven’t received any calls from Evergreen,” he said, and he added something about there were some calls in the past. That is not input, representative, etc. etc. There’s a big problem. Most people are not going to volunteer, research, and proactively call. This is hard to understand and fight. Plus, there’s the population.
“No airport in the world would (do anything) about noise 60 miles away,” he said. And no, it doesn’t make any difference if it is louder than the local noise ordinance allows or the highway.
There is no question it is louder than the road noise. This is in my house with all the doors and windows closed. Constantly, all day, 60 miles from the airport; and what about everyone miles 1-59 and 60+, the latter of whom are even higher and on steeper terrain? I have seen reports that airplane noise can have health effects and I don’t doubt it at all.
A benchmark is, is it louder than a conversation? Yes.
I would say it is louder and two or three times heavier traffic-wise here.
He said they are climbing and heading toward Mt. Evans. And, apparently without researching it at all, he said the planes are flying as they should at 18,000 to 22,000 feet.
“Do you know my home’s altitude,” I asked
“No,” Mr. McKee replied.
“It is 7,500 feet,” I said. “Doesn’t it follow that the noise would be louder than say zero feet?”
“Yes,” he said.
I understand that things have to be done–planes, traffic, people–and there are reasons planes are routed as they are. If you live near an airport or are in a clear path you expect it. You don’t expect it when you live 60 miles away at 7,500 feet. This was changed and is new.
Eminent domain is a place to start. With just a quick look around, there are a lot of legal avenues. I’m saying, when I sell my house, how much am I going to be paid for its loss of value?
The law requires that airports and communities have the opportunity to engage with the FAA before any future flight path changes are made. And it applies retroactively to the big change that occurred in September 2014.
That too wouldn’t help. Right. I’ll organize a protest and maybe that will help. And it is still biased–everyone is excluded except those who do that.
http://airportnoiselaw.org/damages.html
http://www.hcn.org/issues/44/1349
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| Subject: | Re: airplane noise inquiry |
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| Date: | Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:45:01 -0600 |
| From: | Peter Pfeiffer <pcpfeiffer@msn.com> |
| To: | Christensen, Andrea – DEN <Andrea.Christensen@flydenver.com> |
I am very disappointed in the lack of concern, respect, and argumentativeness. Mike McKee was very rude. More specifically, he kept putting words in my Following FAA procedures, I tried. I'll ask the FAA ombudsman for help. I asked for data--measurements, and Mike started yelling. We have this for a record--newspapers, websites, I'm sure there will be more publicity and awareness of this in the future. I made it clear: unacceptable noise, 6 am to 11pm plus. I was yelled at. Peter Pfeiffer ----------------- https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/apl/noise_emissions/airport_aircraft_noise_issues/noise/ "You're the first to call," I was told. Maybe you should contact homeowners and ask them. Asked for data and measurements, refused. What is above and snippets from below were sent to folks at the link above. On 3/23/2017 12:37 PM, Christensen, Andrea - DEN wrote: > What is your cell number as you state on your voice mail that we can phone on your cell as well you but you didn't give us your cell. Could Mike call you on your cell number? Would that be okay with you? > > > ANNIE CHRISTENSEN > DEN NOISE OFFICE > (303) 342-2360 > ANDREA.CHRISTENSEN@FLYDENVER.COM | WWW.FLYDENVER.COM > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christensen, Andrea - DEN > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:33 PM > To: 'Peter Pfeiffer' > Subject: RE: airplane noise inquiry > > Mike McKee is trying to phone you on the 303-557-0505 number right now. > > > ANNIE CHRISTENSEN > DEN NOISE OFFICE > (303) 342-2360 > ANDREA.CHRISTENSEN@FLYDENVER.COM | WWW.FLYDENVER.COM > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christensen, Andrea - DEN > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:10 PM > To: 'Peter Pfeiffer' > Subject: RE: airplane noise inquiry > > Mike has been at a meeting off site this morning. He will be here in the office very soon. > > Is your address 30545 Roan Dr., Evergreen, CO? This will help us to research your issues... > > > > > ANNIE CHRISTENSEN > DEN NOISE OFFICE > (303) 342-2360 > ANDREA.CHRISTENSEN@FLYDENVER.COM | WWW.FLYDENVER.COM > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Pfeiffer [mailto:pcpfeiffer@msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:04 PM > To: Christensen, Andrea - DEN > Subject: Re: airplane noise inquiry > > Yes, of course I cannot hide where I live or am calling about. > Evergreen, about 60 miles from the airport. I just tried calling Mike McKee again. At this particular moment, and for the last half hour (close to one hour now), the noise has been virtually continuous--45-50 seconds you can hear one jet, then another one starts. > > Sometimes it is louder than any standards I've seen (I'm not an expert at all, but I'm learning quickly), including a local noise ordinance. > > It is a very disturbing, shaking noise. Usually, after a few seconds I can see a plane; very, very often they're in the exact same path virtually following each other, seemingly west, a little north, from (SOUTH ?) Denver toward Mt. Evans. I'm stunned you don't get a hundred calls a day because of it. > > Very often you can see the paths in the sky and it looks dangerous. > > Thank you. I'll keep trying to call as stated. > > Peter Pfeiffer > > 303/ > > On 3/23/2017 9:57 AM, Christensen, Andrea - DEN wrote: >> 3/23/17 >> >> Peter: >> >> My supervisor will more than likely ask you where you live so we can do some research for you. Be prepared for that. Also, there are going to be some FAA public meetings that you can attend to voice your concerns as well. >> >> Link to FAA Metroplex Press Release: >> https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=87624 >> >> >> >> ANNIE CHRISTENSEN >> DEN NOISE OFFICE >> (303) 342-2360 >> ANDREA.CHRISTENSEN@FLYDENVER.COM | WWW.FLYDENVER.COM >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Pfeiffer [mailto:pcpfeiffer@msn.com] >> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:32 AM >> To: Christensen, Andrea - DEN >> Subject: Re: airplane noise inquiry >> >> Thanks much and will do. Boy this is a weird situation here! Yesterday I made a few inquiries and contacts at the FAA... >> >> Peter Pfeiffer >> >> On 3/23/2017 8:27 AM, Christensen, Andrea - DEN wrote: >>> Please reach out to my Supervisor, Mike McKee. I forwarded this email to him as well as your voice mail. >>> >>> 303-342-2361 >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> >>> ANNIE CHRISTENSEN >>> DEN NOISE OFFICE >>> (303) 342-2360 >>> ANDREA.CHRISTENSEN@FLYDENVER.COM | WWW.FLYDENVER.COM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Peter Pfeiffer [mailto:pcpfeiffer@msn.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:32 PM >>> To: Noise Office - DIA >>> Subject: airplane noise inquiry >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I called and left a message around the time this is being sent. I would like to speak with someone there about jet, helicopter, and small plane noise in my metro Denver neighborhood. Other airports may be partially responsible but the extremely-frequent jet traffic must be DIA. >>> >>> I'll try calling again tomorrow. If you could provide a direct contact name and number it may help. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Peter Pfeiffer >>> >>> 303/ https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/den/contact/ cut and paste failed; Dale Ogden out of office I am out of the office from March 25 through April 1. If you need immediate assiatance, please contact Mr. Jeff Graves at 303-342-1142, or Mr. Jay Hiles at 303-342-1172.